![]() Archbishop Lefebvre took this oath and asked all clergy do to so as well. Among other things, the Oath Against Modernism was key. He wanted a group free from Modernism, otherwise they'd be inept at passing on the authentic Catholicism that he himself had received. Archbishop Lefebvre had seen how even the smallest compromise led to total ruin. He agreed at first, but after some thought, realized this man wouldn't be good enough. The Vatican responded by making it illicit, but still valid, to consecrate bishops without Vatican approval.Īrchbishop Marcel Lefebvre tried to convince the Vatican to let him consecrate his own candidate. So, the Chinese government started a schismatic Church, calling it the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, or something like that. It's similar to what happened in my parents' own Mexico during the Cristiada/Cristo war: the state demanded clergy be loyal to it before all else. The communist regime in China had started taking Catholic bishops and making them ordain priests and consecrate other bishops loyal to the regime. Group prayer is a grey area, too, now that I think of it. outside the liturgy, in your own private devotions. ![]() At worst? Nature abhors a vacuum, and the things removed from the Sacraments have been filled with Protestantism, like communion in the hand, or holding hands during certain prayers, or adopting the priest's prayer stance, for example. What have we seen since the new order established their regime in the Vatican and spread their influence everywhere in the late 50s? Watered down Catholicism at best. ![]() In other words, the manner in which you pray will affect your belief. As the ancient Catholic axiom goes: Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi. The risk the SSPX specifically, and traditionalists in general, are avoiding is the doctrinal vagueness of the way the new order's Sacraments are written. The SSPX is not sedevacantist, nor do they see the new order's sacraments as invalid. To be clear, the SSPX was never "outside the Church", nor do they consider their doctrinal opponents in the mainstream hierarchy to be outside the Church either. They were based on canon law written for a completely different reason. The following is what I know, as accurately as I know it. I won't claim to know everything, but ask me anything.įirst of all, there's a TON of misconceptions and outright lies about the SSPX. Pro-SSPX layperson here, have been since late 2005/early 2006. Where to find a Traditional Latin Mass Community? Breviarium Romanum Online 1955+1962 Rubrics and CalendarĬheck out the /r/TraditionalCatholics Wiki for more resources to explore.Online Catechism of The Council of Trent.Promotion of sinful lifestyles or degeneracy.Promotion of false religions (Atheism, Buddhism, Islam, etc).Calling traditional catholics Heretics, Schismatics, or Not Catholic.Personal sexual problems (please seek a priest).Questions on traditional Catholicism or the Catholic faith in General.Creating a place where traditional minded Catholics can have open and free discussion about these and other topics related to the Catholic Church and her perennial teachings.Promoting the restoration of tradition and traditional liturgy in the Catholic Church.Discussing the ancient traditions of the Catholic Church.Join us on Discord! Please message mods for an invite.ĭo you enjoy the Latin Mass? Are you curious about traditional Catholicism? Then this is the place for you! What we are about: This is an "approved submitter" only subreddit.ĭiscussing and promoting the ancient traditions and traditional liturgy of the Catholic Church. "The Holy See has said repeatedly that attending Masses of the SSPX fulfills the obligation according to can 1248."įather Z does not recommend it as a regular thing though.If you cannot see your comment, you're not shadowbanned, you just haven't been approved yet. However, it is not the preferred way of doing things, as attendance connotes approval, and this has the potential to cause scandal.Īlso, have a look at Father Z's blog post on this topic:įather Z said this in a different response: This change was made so that we can have ecumenical services. (2) According to the most recent code of canon law, it is permissible to attend a protestant or even non-Christian service. This is not to say that the SSPX does not have valid Sacraments (they do), just that we cannot participate in them. To do so would mean that you and the other communicants are in communion with one another, that is, that is, that you preach the same things. ![]() (1) As the SSPX is not in full communion with Rome, it would be a lie to receive communion as a practicing Catholic at an SSPX service.
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